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Wednesday, 14 March 2018

Bolster Family

Dear Juan Pablo,

I only recently discovered that my grandfather and his parents, brothers, and sisters were part of the "Dresden Affair".They travelled from Ireland with eight children, ranging in ages from 14 to 2 years old.

Here are their names from the passenger list at the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild (http://immigrantships.net/irish_arg/irish_arg1889a.html)

788 Bolster George 38 m carpenter l 16 [my great-grandfather]
789 Bolster Mary 39 m dressmaker l 16 [my great-grandmother]
790 Bolster Elizabeth 14 s misstress l 16
791 Bolster Richard 13 s l 16
792 Bolster William 11 s l 16
793 Bolster George 9 s l 16
794 Bolster Annie 7 s l 16
795 Bolster Thomas 5 s 16
796 Bolster Robert 4 s 16
797 Bolster Joseph 2 s 16 [my grandfather]

Interestingly, they came from a different social background to most of the passengers on the Dresden.

Originally, they were both from the Protestant land-owning class. They married without their families' permission and against their wishes, and as a result were "cut off" and had to adapt to working in trade to make a living and provide for their (large) family.

From what I can see, there were several other members of the Bolster family living around Buenos Aires before the Dresden arrived. Certainly they come from the same parish in County Cork in Ireland, and were members of the British/Irish Protestant community in Buenos Aires. So perhaps my ancestors had been in contact with their emigrant relations and found them more liberal and less intolerant than their own families at home? Or perhaps they simply heard the wonderful tales that were being broadcast by the agents of the 'Dresden Affair', and fell victim to the dream of a better life, like so many of their compatriots.

However, I suspect they may have gone to Napostá. I base this on one thing - as a small child, my mother's Aunt Annie told her stories about how they had trekked in wagons across a long distance through open prairies and wilderness. It must have been a long journey, as my aunt remembered how they had animals with them that were killed for food on the journey, and also that my great-grandmother made soap and candles with the fat from these animals (and suffered chemical burns on her hands from the lye used in the process - my mother's aunt told the story that my great-grandmother had been born a 'lady' so her hands were white and spotless before going to Argentina, but after the chemical burns she always wore gloves when in public). Unfortunately, my mother didn't ask more questions (she was only a child and didn't realise it might be important, and of course everybody who knew the facts is now dead).

Anyway, wherever they went in Argentina, it wasn't a success, and in 1891 they sailed on the Helvius and returned to Ireland. (Again, according to my mother's aunt) they had a child in Argentina, but he/she didn't survive. It must have been a very emotional time for them to decided to return.

I have nothing linking them to Argentina other than the passenger lists and the stories my mother heard as a child. I only discovered the whole Dresden story through your website and SILAS. I wish I could find out more, and intend to do more research to see if I can discover more about what they did while they were there, and if they did indeed form part of the ill-fated expedition to Napostá.

The irony is that I took my son to Buenos Aires only a couple of years ago, and at that time we knew nothing about our family connection via the Dresden. We shall have to return before too long!

Anyway, I thought I would get in touch, and add another story to your collection. If you ever find more records pointing to Napostá and other Irish settlement, I will read about it with great interest!


Kind regards
Hugh (Bolster) Grant


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Whitepages in Argetina says that there are only 3 Bolster living in Buenos Aires city:

- Bolster Eduardo A - Monserrat, Ciudad de Buenos Aires
- Bolster Haydee M De - Flores, Ciudad de Buenos Aires
- Bolster Yolanda B  - Flores, Ciudad de Buenos Aires


Thursday, 26 June 2014

Lista de Inmigrantes / Immigrant's List


Pasajeros de tercera clase en la cubierta de un barco de la NDL
Theird class passengers on board a NDL ship.
Foto: Gentileza Norddeutscher Lloyd Archives


A continuación encontrarán el link a la lista de pasajeros con toda la información. Poco a poco vamos actualizando datos. Actualmente estamos trabajando el puerto de origen de cada uno de los pasajeros. De ésta manera podrás ir viendo quiénes llegaron desde Queenstown (actual Cobh, Irlanda) y quiénes llegaron desde Southampton (Inglaterra). En esta planilla podrás utilizar las opciones de filtro para buscar apellidos específicos. Acceda a la lista de inmigrantes haciendo click aquí. Saludos cordiales,

Following you will find the link to the passenger list with all the information. Little by little we are updating the list with new details. Now we are working in the Original port of departure of each passenger. So you will be able to see whom they came from Queenstown (now Cobh, Ireland) and whom came from Southampton (England). In this spreadsheet you will be able to filtre specific names and surnames you are looking. Get the immigrant list by clicking here. Kind regards,


JP

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Reconocimientos: Gracias a SILAS y a Michael Geraghty, quienes generosamente nos brindaron la lista de pasajeros del SS Dresden, trascripta originalmente por el Centro de Estudios Migratorios Latinoamericanos (CEMLA). | Acknowledgements: Thanks SILAS and Michael Geraghty, who generously submitted the passenger list of the SS Dresden, originaly transcribed by Centro de Estudios Migratorios Latinoamericanos (CEMLA).

Stephens Family

Me contactó Stella Zuccarelli. Ella es descendiente de los Stephens que vinieron en el SS Dresden. Su bisabuela fue Mary Anne Stephens, hija de Robert y Rose. Mary Anne tenía 2 años cuando llegó a Buenos Aires en Febrero de 1889.

Stella me comenta que su padre solía contarle cómo era la vida por parte de su mamá y su familia irlandesa. Nunca le contaron el por qué habían venido para Argentina, pero sí que habían parte de la familia que se había quedado en Irlanda.

Los Stephens que vinieron en el barco fueron Robert (31) y Rose (23), los padres y John (14), Mary Anne (2) y Margaret (3 meses), los hijos. Junto a la familia vino la madrina de la pequeña Mary Anne, Mary Bennett (24) (figura en el Certificado de Bautismo).

Stella se decidió por investigar a su familia una vez que su padre falleció. Ella se encontró con la partida de nacimiento de su bisabuela Mary Anne junto con un puñado de historias que recordaba y fotos viejas de la familia.

Cuenta Stella "respecto a Mary Anne creo que el recuerdo de ella me trajo hasta aquí. Siempre se dedicó a la costura en casonas de Hurlinghan. Los Stephens eran de familia humilde. Solo su madrina Bennett adquirió otro estándar de vida. Siempre contaban de una artista hermana de ella en Irlanda. Esto es toda la información que tengo".

Stella está tratando de encontrar familiares tanto en Buenos Aires como en Irlanda que le puedan contar más qué fue de su familia y además sobre Mary Bennett.

Y finalmente agrega que "No quiero la ciudadanía ni nada por el estilo. Solo quiero saber de donde vienen mis raíces. De Italia solo tengo el apellido y el nombre. Pero las costumbres no se pueden evitar."

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Stella Zuccarelli has contacted me. She is descendant from the Stephens who came on board the SS Dresden. Her great-grandmother was Mary Anne Stephens, daughter of Robert and Rose. Mary Anne was 2 years old when she arrived to Buenos Aires in February 1889.

Stella told me that her father used to tell her how was his mother’s life about and of the rest of the Irish family. Nobody ever told her why the Stephens came to Argentina, but what they did to tell her was that some relatives had remained in Ireland.

The Stephens who came on the ship were Robert (31) and Rose (23), the parents, and John (14), Mary Anne (2) and Margaret (3 months), the children. Along with them, it came the Mary Anne's godmother, Mary Bennett (24) (contained in the Baptism certificate).

Stella decided to investigate his family after his father died. She found the baptismal certificate of her great-grandmother, Mary Anne, along with a handful of stories that she remember and some old family pictures.

Stella says "about Mary Anne I think that her remembrance brought me up to here. She was devoted to sewing in Hurlingham’s mansions. The Stephens were a humble family. Only her Godmother, Mary Bennett, got another standard of living. It was always said that Mary Bennett had an artist sister in Ireland. This is all the information I have."

Stella is trying to find relatives both in Buenos Aires and in Ireland that could tell her more about what was about her family and also about Mary Bennett’s life.

She finally adds that "I do not want the citizenship or anything like that I just want to know about my roots. From Italy I have only my name and surname. But habits ones cannot avoid."

Stella Zuccarelli

Mary Anne's Baptismal Certificate
Parish of St. John the Baptist - Blackrock Co. Dublin

Mary Anne Stephens

Mary Bennett


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Passenger List

ApellidoNombreSexoCiudadaniaFecha de PartidaPuerto de PartidaClasePágina de RegistroEdad
StephensMargaretfEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown319905
StephensRobertmEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown31931
StephensRosefEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown31923
StephensJohnmEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown31914
StephensMaryfEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown3192


Friday, 20 June 2014

Bourke Family

Letter from Mrs Margaret Lyons (Nee Bourke) County Limerick to Mr. Peter Mulvany after the publication in the Limerick Leader of an article about the SS Dresden and the Project:

"Further to your letter on the Limerick Leader last week concerning the emigrants who embarked on the SS Dresden in Cobh for Buenos Aires in 1889. I am the Grandaughter of Louis Bourke who was one of them. I was told his wife died and that he took all his children with him. Then a relative told me that his wife went with him. This I’m not sure of. A friend of mine looked it up on a computer and he got the names of the people that went.They arrived on the 15/2/1889. Louis Bourke (Father), Ellen, John, Mary, Patrick, Kate, Margaret and James. Louis (The Father) came home and brought his son John with him. Louis re-married and my Father (Tom) was his son. The rest of the family stayed in Buenos Aires. I dont know anything about them. There must be a few of their off-spring still there. My father is dead since 1977. He often spoke of his step family in South America. My father was born in 1901, so my Grand Father came back at least a year or two before that. My father used to tell me that his father was working in some ranch looking after horses and cattle while he was in Argentina."

Carta de la Sra. Margaret Lyons (Nee Bourke) del condado de Limerick al Sr. Peter Mulvany luego de la publicación en el Limerick Leader de su artículo sobre el SS Dresden y el Proyecto de los Descendientes del Dresden:
"En respuesta a su carta en el Limerick Leader la semana pasada en relación con los emigrantes que se embarcaron en el SS Dresden en Cobh hacia Buenos Aires en 1889. Soy la nieta de Louis Bourke, quien fue uno de ellos. Me dijeron que su esposa murió y que se llevó a todos sus hijos con él. Luego, un pariente me dijo que su esposa se fue con él. De esto no estoy muy segura. Un amigo mío buscó en la computadora y encontró los nombres de las personas que fueron. Llegaron el 15/2/1889. Louis Bourke (padre), Ellen, John, Mary, Patrick, Kate, Margaret y James. Louis (el padre) se volvió y trajo con él a su hijo John . Se volvió a casar y mi padre (Tom) fue su hijo. El resto de la familia se quedó en Buenos Aires. No sé nada de ellos. Debe haber unos pocos descendientes aún por allá. Mi padre murió en 1977. A menudo hablaba de su familia en América del Sur. Mi padre nació en 1901, por lo que mi abuelo regresó al menos uno o dos años antes de esa fecha. Mi padre solía decirme que su padre había trabajado en algún rancho cuidando de los caballos y el ganado, cuando estuvo en Argentina."


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Passenger List

BourkeEllenfEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown32934Servant
BourkeLouismEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown32933Labourer
BourkeJohnmEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown32911Sin oficio por menor
BourkeJamesmEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown33022Labourer
BourkeMaryfEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown3309Sin oficio por menor
BourkePatrickmEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown3307Sin oficio por menor
BourkeKatefEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown3305Sin oficio por menor
BourkeMargaretfEnglish15/02/1889Queenstown3303Sin oficio por menor

Sunday, 1 June 2014

Treacy Family

I'am a Dresden descendant, via my grandfather, John Treacy, whose parents met in Argentina after taking the journey with THEIR parents. Now, I have something special to share. I'm attaching a photo of my Great-uncle, Gerald Treacy, taken sometime in the 1980s. Gerald was born in 1918 and he will be 94 in May 2009. He is my grandfather's brother, the last of 22 cousins born to Patrick & his wife, Kate & Johanna Treacy & her husband, Jose Peña (from Spain or the Canary Islands). Gerald is in a senior residence in Washington state, but he still looks the same, only older. As far as he knows, his paternal grandfather never left Argentina and died there. Patrick came to the USA in 1903, 6 weeks after my grandfather was born in Ireland. (His older sister was born in Argentina). Johanna & Jose came to the USA in March, 1912...almost 100 yrs. ago!

Patrick Treacy's Wedding record: Feb. 8, 1901. His profession is listed as "mecanico" (maquinista). Married by Father Jules, Passionist, at Holy Cross Church, Buenos Aires. It also says," Domiciliado en la calle Balcane 1214 or 7" -I can't make out which it is, 4 or 7.
Actual view of Balcarce 1217
Buenos Aires

His bride's address is the same. However, according to family legend, they were married 3 times---once in a Spanish civil ceremony, once in Church & once in English. His wife's name is given as Kate Walshe/Walsh Broughlett. The sponsors were M. Carmody & Elisa Cleary.

Patrick married Kate, another Dresden passenger. On the passenger list, her family are numbered 1221, 1222, 1223 & 1224. The family name is Walsh: Patrick, Catherine(nee Mills), son Patrick, & daughter Catherine/Kate. The Walshes were from Tullamore, in County Offaly. The Traceys/Treacys were from Pallasgrean in Co. Limerick.

Their first child, Kathleen, was born in Dec. 1901, in Buenos Aires. At some point, they decided to come to the US. Since it was easier to get here from Ireland, they went back there & my grandfather was born there in Sept., 1903. They came to the US six weeks later & the rest of their 12 children were born here, the last in 1924, when my great-grandmother was 48(!).

Their daughter, Kathleen, was born Dec. 4, 1901 at Calle Alavarez Nuñez esq. Presidente, Buenos Aires.
They left Argentina on May 16, 1903, for Ireland. My grandfather was born there on Sept. 12, 1903 & they arrived at Ellis Island/NYC on Oct. 22, 1903.

My great-uncle Gerald, their son, b.1918, recorded that his father's brother, Thomas Treacy, died in Argentina in the 1930s. Patrick died in 1940 in Roselle Park, NJ & Gerald remembers how upset his father was when the letter came.

His sister, Johanna, her husband, Jose Peña & their children Rosa, Juan, Maria & Patricio came from Buenos Aires on the Voltaire on March 7, 1912. Johanna is listed as Juana de Treacy Pena. She & Jose are listed as being 31 & 32, respectively, but again the ages are fuzzy. Their children were 3, 11, 9 & 7, respectively. Patrick Treacy records that he & his family moved to Camden Street in Roselle Park from Elizabeth on March 27, 1912, so the arrival of the Peñas may have had something to do w/ the move.
Kate Treacy, b. 1871(I think--haven't found this record yet) married Edward/Edmund Murphy in Argentina.

This Ed Murphy worked on a ranch in Argentina. They had 2 daughters. Nora Murphy was born in Buenos Aires & later married a Charlie Perkins & had a son Billy Perkins. They ended up back in Ireland. They also had a daughter Margaret, who married a man named Leahy. Their son, Eamonn Leahy, who corresponded w/ my uncle Gerald, says that Ed. & Kate went back to Ireland & lived first in a tenement in Limerick city, then moved to a small house on Roseboro Rd. in Tipperary town on the Limerick road. They were very poor.  According to Eamonn, most of them died young (30s-50s), so he knew little about them.

I hope this is helpful in pinning down the Treacy connection for you! We are also some kind of cousin to Sean Treacy, of the 3rd Tipperary Brigade of the Irish Republican Army. Sean is discussed in a book called "Limerick's Fighting Story." He was killed in a shoot-out w/ the British in Dublin in 1921 or 1922. He was only about 23-24. The Irish list him as a brave patriot, but the British police website calls him a "terrorist". There is a statue of him in Tipperary. A football club is named after him.

Linda Koenig, New Jersey, USA


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Juan Pablo, I am writing this email on behalf of my Grandfather, Gerald Treacy. He no longer has an email account, but thought that we could communicate through mine. He has expressed interest in seeing any photos of your Dresden project. I do not speak Spanish but he is going to spell something out for me that he wishes to convey: "Hastas luego, mi corazon!" He also would like to say "Hello" to you and the family. Thank you
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Gerald Treacy and Granddaughter Patricia, New Jersey, USA.
24 de Junio de 2012: Hola, otra vez! I am so happy to hear from you! Yes, print the picture, by all means. I have been trying to let you know that my dear great-uncle, Gerald, se murio el 28 de marzo 2012. He was the last of the 22 children produced by Patrick & Kate Walsh treacy (12) & Jose & Johanna Treacy Peña.

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SS Dresden Records
TRACEY, JOHN (40) Married, LABOURER
TRACEY, KATE, (40), Married, SERVANT
TRACEY, THOMAS, (20), Single, LABOURER
TRACEY, JOHN J, (19), Single, LABOURER
TRACEY, PATRICK, (18), LABOURER
TRACEY, WILLIAM, 17, Single, LABOURER
TRACEY, EDMUND, 16, Single, LABOURER
TRACEY, KATE, 15, Single, SERVANT
TRACEY, JOHANNA, 9, Sinlge

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Records from the 1895 Argentine Census
www.familysearch.org

In the Census I found four members of this family. John (father), Patrick and Thomas living in the same place with Miguel Ahern (16 y/0). Mr. John figures as widow with 53 y/o and working as "labourer" (peón). Patrick figure as single and working as "boilermaker" (calderero) and Thomas working as "sailor" (marinero).
Miguel Ahern (I have to check) but it may be related with other immigrant family from the SS Dresden (Michael 9 y/o, son of Michael and Catherine Ahern)



Linda Koenig's insert: "I just reviewed the census list you sent me & I'd be willing to bet the Eduardo Murphy listed at line 11 & the Catalina Murphy listed at line 12 are the Edward/Edmund Murphy & the Kate Tracey/Treacy Murphy of whom I've just written...the parents of Nora Murphy Perkins & Margaret Murphy Leahy, Eamonn Leahy's mother...Linda Koenig"


Then, there is another record in the Census where figures Johanna Treacy. She is 13 y/o and was living in the house of Mr. Carlos Reynolds and his family. She figure as "servant" (mucama), catholic and motherless. This last detail it is coincident with the marital status of John in the above record, so Mrs Kate Treacy died between 1889 and 1895.

Census 1895 - Reynolds Family with Johanna (13 y/o) as servant

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Original Pictures from the family


TranscriptionDear Son Pat I am sending you mine and
Jose photo when you receive aum rite
by return.
Answering this please.
Send us yours photos
hoping we shall meete again
Love to all your father and Jose.
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Dear brother Iam sending ye ours photos
hoping you will get them all right you tan su our
faces once more not in reality but in picture but I am
sure and trust in god we shall meete much other again
answer when you get this and send us yours photos
Love to ye all
Your sister Johanna and Jose
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John and Johana Treacy with José Peña (circa 1900)

John Treacy - Born 1831 in Nicker, Ireland. Father of Johanna and Patrick (1865 - 1949)

José Peña, Johanna Peña and kids

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